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Yo what order number are we up to?
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The existence of customs, duties, and brokerage for small cross-border shipments in 2022 is a disgrace. What the fuck are these bean counters actually worried about? I have too many cigarettes in my suitcase or maybe I’m shipping iPads into South Africa to try to make a buck? All that is literally how capitalism works.

If you are a module maker and you want someone to register a Canadian company as a subsidiary of your own so that moving gear counts as an intra-company transfer I’ll do it. It’s easier and cheaper to register a company and do the paperwork than it is to get a module from New York to Montreal.
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UPS needs a fucking class-action lawsuit and I’m down.
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Nutritional Zero wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:12 pm The existence of customs, duties, and brokerage for small cross-border shipments in 2022 is a disgrace. What the fuck are these bean counters actually worried about? I have too many cigarettes in my suitcase or maybe I’m shipping iPads into South Africa to try to make a buck? All that is literally how capitalism works.

If you are a module maker and you want someone to register a Canadian company as a subsidiary of your own so that moving gear counts as an intra-company transfer I’ll do it. It’s easier and cheaper to register a company and do the paperwork than it is to get a module from New York to Montreal.
It's not UPS/DHL/FedEx's fault is it?. They are obeying the law of the land. A Canadian subsidiary would still have to collect duties on imported goods, wouldn't they?

At any rate, there have been no more reported shippings since the batch last week. I'm hoping to see some more reports this week, but I'm not feeling too confidant that's going to happen.
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Nutritional Zero wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:12 pm The existence of customs, duties, and brokerage for small cross-border shipments in 2022 is a disgrace. What the fuck are these bean counters actually worried about? I have too many cigarettes in my suitcase or maybe I’m shipping iPads into South Africa to try to make a buck? All that is literally how capitalism works.

If you are a module maker and you want someone to register a Canadian company as a subsidiary of your own so that moving gear counts as an intra-company transfer I’ll do it. It’s easier and cheaper to register a company and do the paperwork than it is to get a module from New York to Montreal.
There are no duties on products coming from USA to Canada. Only HST, PST and or GST - depending on the province. These are provincially mandated taxes that you pay on all products - no matter if you bought it from Nightlife in Vancouver, Moog Audio in Montreal - or somewhere in the States. And the modest $15 brokerage (ie. administrative handling fee) DHL just charged us is annoying but understandable considering the bureaucracy of getting things across the border. You don't pay this with USPS/CanadaPost, and this is reflected in the time it takes to get an item over the border. My Natural Gate arrive in 3 business days via DHL - that would never happen with the handoff between USPS/CanadaPost.
I used to deal with a brokerage firm that would allow me to do my own paperwork, and charged $5 to use their brokerage license, and I would gladly pay DHL $15 to do that BS for me.
Your idea to register a Canadian (or any country) company as a subsidiary of a US firm to avoid taxes would never work... there is no such thing as an intra-company transfer without tax implications, and the declarations to the receiving country (brokerage) that are there to protect your national economic interests.
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That's good information. I'm glad I didn't actually try it then.
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Nobody’s NG shipped this week, huh?
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adicembre wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:32 pm Nobody’s NG shipped this week, huh?
Not that has been reported here. I'm now thinking that they built up a shop's full of them, shipped them, and are now building up another shop's full of them, to ship (hopefully) next month some time.

I hope I'm wrong, and that shipments resume next week, but I'm not counting on it.
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Not sure at exactly what point in the last week the preorders closed, but: preorders closed. Oh well, maybe in 2024.
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cbm wrote: Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:40 pm Not that has been reported here. I'm now thinking that they built up a shop's full of them, shipped them, and are now building up another shop's full of them, to ship (hopefully) next month some time.

I hope I'm wrong, and that shipments resume next week, but I'm not counting on it.
I should be in the next batch, and I haven't heard anything yet other than the ask to update my shipping address if it had changed since ordering.

I'm only at the 2 month mark since ordering, with a 2-3 month estimate on ordering, so I don't feel even slightly annoyed. My only annoyance is with myself, because I sold off my LxD and Optomix to justify the price of the Natural Gate. I only have passive LPGs right now.
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Here's my best results so far: splitting Osiris out multed to both channels, triggered by separate patterns and panned spatially, joystick to Osiris Wave X and Y, channels a bit open.
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aadamm wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:16 am Here's my best results so far: splitting Osiris out multed to both channels, triggered by separate patterns and panned spatially, joystick to Osiris Wave X and Y, channels a bit open.
Did you mean to add a link to something here?
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Ah, no, was just describing it. I see how saying "here's [...]" made it sound otherwise, my bad.
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has anybody looked at a spectrum analysis of the natural gate? I'm curious what the cut-off frequency is when it is fully open. I'm assuming it is not 20khz because there isn't much of a reason for a LPG to open that wide IMO.
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JacoPastorius wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:05 am has anybody looked at a spectrum analysis of the natural gate? I'm curious what the cut-off frequency is when it is fully open. I'm assuming it is not 20khz because there isn't much of a reason for a LPG to open that wide IMO.
Here are the results of my rigorous scientific testing :hihi:

The setup: Some white noise, multed. Red is original, orange is white noise through the NG with OPEN slider fully open, white is original white noise through a 2 pole low pass filter at ~4 kHz.

With the CTRL trimmer zeroed (green CTRL Zero Indicator LED is on):
ng_white_noise_zeroed.png
Matches the low pass filter pretty well.

With the CTRL trimmer fully open:
ng_white_noise_fully_open.png
Same as unfiltered white noise.
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moustachioed wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:17 pm
JacoPastorius wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:05 am has anybody looked at a spectrum analysis of the natural gate? I'm curious what the cut-off frequency is when it is fully open. I'm assuming it is not 20khz because there isn't much of a reason for a LPG to open that wide IMO.
Here are the results of my rigorous scientific testing :hihi:

The setup: Some white noise, multed. Red is original, orange is white noise through the NG with OPEN slider fully open, white is original white noise through a 2 pole low pass filter at ~4 kHz.

With the CTRL trimmer zeroed (green CTRL Zero Indicator LED is on):
ng_white_noise_zeroed.png
Matches the low pass filter pretty well.

With the CTRL trimmer fully open:
ng_white_noise_fully_open.png
Same as unfiltered white noise.
So helpful! Thanks!
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I played around with this some more. The static cutoff is around 4 kHz, as I showed above, but due to the "memory" of the NG the cutoff changes with repeated hits. Goes to roughly 8 kHz for 120 bpm 8th notes and 12 kHz for 120 bpm 16th notes, for example. But it does not match a simple 2-pole low pass anymore, there is some frequency-dependent behaviour going on with the memory. As this is not static behaviour, I did not take any screen caps, but I can maybe do a short video if there is interest.
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Sorry, double post...
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moustachioed wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:09 pm I played around with this some more. The static cutoff is around 4 kHz, as I showed above, but due to the "memory" of the NG the cutoff changes with repeated hits. Goes to roughly 8 kHz for 120 bpm 8th notes and 12 kHz for 120 bpm 16th notes, for example. But it does not match a simple 2-pole low pass anymore, there is some frequency-dependent behaviour going on with the memory. As this is not static behaviour, I did not take any screen caps, but I can maybe do a short video if there is interest.
Interesting! I've wondered what they meant by "memory," other than it gets louder with more hits.
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moustachioed wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:09 pm I played around with this some more. The static cutoff is around 4 kHz, as I showed above, but due to the "memory" of the NG the cutoff changes with repeated hits. Goes to roughly 8 kHz for 120 bpm 8th notes and 12 kHz for 120 bpm 16th notes, for example. But it does not match a simple 2-pole low pass anymore, there is some frequency-dependent behaviour going on with the memory. As this is not static behaviour, I did not take any screen caps, but I can maybe do a short video if there is interest.
this is all wonderful info, thank you for taking the time to do all of this. The memory effect is a very interesting addition - so simple you think it would be an obvious thing to include, but you don't see it in any other LPG. I saw in the manual that the decay scales inversely to incoming pitch. how apparent is this in your use of it - is it something subtle that you don't think about/notice or is it an obvious part of the magic? this is something interesting but not so obvious to include, so i would love to hear about people's perspective on that feature.
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The Natural Gate page now says this at the top:
The pre-order window is currently closed. We will finish off shipping the remaining pre-orders in the next week or so, then will open another pre-order.
I sure hope they resume shipping next week.
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Seriously contemplating getting in line for a second... the combination of sound with flexibility is just awe-inspiring. Here's a patch messing around with various Natural Gate settings and Belgrad settings (Belgrad through Natural Gate):

Youtube channel with various etudes and patch experiments:

https://www.youtube.com/user/mikeleuz
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neumedi wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 12:04 pm Seriously contemplating getting in line for a second... the combination of sound with flexibility is just awe-inspiring. Here's a patch messing around with various Natural Gate settings and Belgrad settings (Belgrad through Natural Gate):

Nice, I see you have blades there, that’s a great one for pinging as well!
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At this point, I wonder if we'll have to wait until after Superbooth for the rest of the pre-orders to ship?
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cbm wrote: Fri May 06, 2022 3:29 am At this point, I wonder if we'll have to wait until after Superbooth for the rest of the pre-orders to ship?
I bet you’re right. Pain.
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