quad operator bank by humble audio

Cwejman, Livewire, TipTop Audio, Doepfer etc... Get your euro on!

Moderators: Kent, luketeaford, Joe.

Post Reply
toumpouris
Common Wiggler
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed May 24, 2017 5:26 am

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by toumpouris » Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:25 am

Hello,
Can we have some news on the vcas leaking?
I really do not want to buy another quad vca.

Thanks

User avatar
subLimb
Common Wiggler
Posts: 60
Joined: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:14 pm

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by subLimb » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:13 am

toumpouris wrote:
Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:25 am
Hello,
Can we have some news on the vcas leaking?
I really do not want to buy another quad vca.

Thanks
Would like an update on this as well. I'm loving using the internal VCA's as independent voices on this thing. Thanks!

pmarchitect
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 394
Joined: Fri Sep 23, 2016 3:47 am
Location: London

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by pmarchitect » Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:37 pm

Yeah I’m interested in this but the VCA issue needs picking up.

User avatar
solipsvs
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 399
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:39 pm
Location: yall jis a figment

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by solipsvs » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:48 pm

i havent noticed this at all honestly

Ema41
Common Wiggler
Posts: 60
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:07 am

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by Ema41 » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:23 pm

I have noticed it clearly: Just feed an envelope (MI Stages here) to any gain input, oscillator leaks in the respective out.
It's the same if you apply negative voltage (whereas the bleeding in the mix of an Echophon can be "cured" this way).

So it's a real issue.. :confused:

But as it is software related, maybe this bug is not so hard to correct?

User avatar
solipsvs
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 399
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:39 pm
Location: yall jis a figment

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by solipsvs » Sat May 02, 2020 10:57 pm

i would buy this again with a patch point for all matrix routings... in a second! i would buy several i think. i love the way this thing sounds.
Last edited by solipsvs on Mon May 04, 2020 12:05 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
matttech
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 9775
Joined: Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:12 pm
Location: Manchester, UK

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by matttech » Sun May 03, 2020 10:10 am

EDIT - ignore

User avatar
bigwill
Common Wiggler
Posts: 81
Joined: Wed Jan 28, 2015 6:07 pm
Location: San Francisco
Contact:

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by bigwill » Tue May 05, 2020 11:26 am

Ema41 wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:23 pm
I have noticed it clearly: Just feed an envelope (MI Stages here) to any gain input, oscillator leaks in the respective out.
It's the same if you apply negative voltage (whereas the bleeding in the mix of an Echophon can be "cured" this way).

So it's a real issue.. :confused:

But as it is software related, maybe this bug is not so hard to correct?
Hi,

Apologies, I have not been paying as close attention to Muff Wiggler recently, so I missed a number of recent messages. We recently released a firmware update that should resolve the VCA leakiness issue:

https://discourse.humble.audio/t/latest ... -update/37

This update package currently works for Windows and Mac OS prior to Catalina.

Apple changed some of the security mechanisms in Catalina, so we have to find a new way to package updates for it. If you're able to use utility dfu-util (installable via brew, if you use that tool), it's possible to install the update. The problem is that we can no longer execute the copy of dfu-util that we ship inside the package.

More information on dfu-util: http://dfu-util.sourceforge.net/

User avatar
solipsvs
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 399
Joined: Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:39 pm
Location: yall jis a figment

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by solipsvs » Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 am

bigwill wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 11:26 am
Ema41 wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:23 pm
I have noticed it clearly: Just feed an envelope (MI Stages here) to any gain input, oscillator leaks in the respective out.
It's the same if you apply negative voltage (whereas the bleeding in the mix of an Echophon can be "cured" this way).

So it's a real issue.. :confused:

But as it is software related, maybe this bug is not so hard to correct?
Hi,

Apologies, I have not been paying as close attention to Muff Wiggler recently, so I missed a number of recent messages. We recently released a firmware update that should resolve the VCA leakiness issue:

https://discourse.humble.audio/t/latest ... -update/37

This update package currently works for Windows and Mac OS prior to Catalina.

Apple changed some of the security mechanisms in Catalina, so we have to find a new way to package updates for it. If you're able to use utility dfu-util (installable via brew, if you use that tool), it's possible to install the update. The problem is that we can no longer execute the copy of dfu-util that we ship inside the package.

More information on dfu-util: http://dfu-util.sourceforge.net/
those instructions are impossible to get to. do you think you could just post them where we dont have to unlock them

Ema41
Common Wiggler
Posts: 60
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:07 am

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by Ema41 » Thu May 21, 2020 3:25 pm

:tu: Thanks bigwill!

I've done the update with my Mac (OS10.10). I had to disconnect/reconnect the module after the SYSBOOT and RESET pushes (the Quad was not recognized thru USB without it).
The .command wrote something scary at the end (update only needs few seconds):
"File downloaded successfully
Transitioning to dfuMANIFEST state
Error during download get_status
logout"

But in fact it worked fine: no more VCA bleed!
I checked the tuning: I don't need to recalibrate after this update.

And the sound is still amazing: I've got TX802/ TG77/ FS1R/ FM8/ Hertz Donut mk3/ Shapeshifter/ A-110-4 + Rubicon2 (TZFM...) / Plaits and...
Humble Audio Quad is THE fm beast! :party:

User avatar
huffnPuff
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1706
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:50 pm

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by huffnPuff » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:05 am

Can you effectively control the pitch of each operator with the ratio cv inputs? Asking whether this can double as a quad oscillator bank. Apologies if this has already been asked.

User avatar
Daisuk
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 4427
Joined: Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:16 pm
Location: Oslo
Contact:

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by Daisuk » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:11 am

huffnPuff wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:05 am
Can you effectively control the pitch of each operator with the ratio cv inputs? Asking whether this can double as a quad oscillator bank. Apologies if this has already been asked.
Yes.

https://humble.audio/products/quad-operator

"Each operator can also be unlocked then tuned and patched independently, making the module a great general purpose oscillator bank."

djd_oz
Veteran Wiggler
Posts: 613
Joined: Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:58 pm

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by djd_oz » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:13 am

Ema41 wrote:
Thu May 21, 2020 3:25 pm
And the sound is still amazing: I've got TX802/ TG77/ FS1R/ FM8/ Hertz Donut mk3/ Shapeshifter/ A-110-4 + Rubicon2 (TZFM...) / Plaits and...
Humble Audio Quad is THE fm beast! :party:
Sound demos please ....

User avatar
huffnPuff
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 1706
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:50 pm

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by huffnPuff » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:29 am

Daisuk wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:11 am
huffnPuff wrote:
Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:05 am
Can you effectively control the pitch of each operator with the ratio cv inputs? Asking whether this can double as a quad oscillator bank. Apologies if this has already been asked.
Yes.

https://humble.audio/products/quad-operator

"Each operator can also be unlocked then tuned and patched independently, making the module a great general purpose oscillator bank."
Excellent, thanks.

User avatar
Shakespeare
Wiggling with Experience
Posts: 311
Joined: Fri Feb 02, 2018 12:32 pm
Location: Clinton, NY

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by Shakespeare » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:35 pm

Little noodle here with the Quad Operator... it's set up sort of like an old school FM electric piano here, then put through Rings (and etc.). Just Friends supplies the drone, and Marbles does all the steering, along with a ton of envelopes supplies by O_C and Quadrax.


Ema41
Common Wiggler
Posts: 60
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:07 am

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by Ema41 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:36 pm

I didn't come here for long...
I usually don't do demos, but the Humble quad can be heard alone behind the Rhodes (with qu-bit Prism comb filtering, Intellijel Rainmaker delay and Erica Synth Black Holes 2 for reverb) in this tune:

Of course, it can do very good harmonic sounds too. And if you decide to go analog, it can be a very good complex mutiple LFO. This last use could justify buying the module by itself...

User avatar
brianobush
Common Wiggler
Posts: 250
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:20 pm
Location: Portland, OR
Contact:

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by brianobush » Thu Sep 24, 2020 8:14 pm

Would love to hear more sounds demos of this thing.

toumpouris
Common Wiggler
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed May 24, 2017 5:26 am

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by toumpouris » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:07 am

This track is made only from quad operator, controlled by marbles:


User avatar
Zymos
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 3132
Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:14 pm
Location: ABQ,NM

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by Zymos » Mon Mar 15, 2021 6:27 pm

Just felt like bumping this thread to say what a fun module this is. Everything is right there to tweak. (Though admittedly the WYSIWYG aspect gets confused when you are using the expander.)

With the interaction between 4 operators that can each have different ratios and waveforms, there is a huge range of textures.
Since the gain inputs act as VCAs, all you need are some
EGs and it’s a complete voice. Actually up to 4 voices, since each operator has a separate output.

rareo
Common Wiggler
Posts: 87
Joined: Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:17 pm
Location: Berlin

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by rareo » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:07 pm

I've just racked the quad operator today and i must say, it's SUCH a weapon. Not sure why i took so long to buy this.

and i'm hopeful with all those expander connections it's gonna get some kind of cv over the modulation amounts.... that would be so good.

User avatar
userfriendly
Common Wiggler
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:11 pm
Location: Baltimore

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by userfriendly » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:18 pm

I would have thought being digital the individual oscillators would be more stable? I I've calibrated the module a few times and updated the firmware. am I missing something? Or perhaps using it for four voice chords is reaching too far outside of what its designed for?

User avatar
Zymos
Super Deluxe Wiggler
Posts: 3132
Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:14 pm
Location: ABQ,NM

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by Zymos » Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:32 pm

Have you reached out to Humble Audio? He was really responsive when I contacted him.

User avatar
userfriendly
Common Wiggler
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:11 pm
Location: Baltimore

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by userfriendly » Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:00 am

Zymos wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:32 pm
Have you reached out to Humble Audio? He was really responsive when I contacted him.
No I haven’t yet. I usually try and reach out to a forum or two before contacting developers. Maybe I should do that.

DJ Tap Water
Common Wiggler
Posts: 171
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:35 am
Location: London

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by DJ Tap Water » Fri May 14, 2021 3:12 pm

userfriendly wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:18 pm
I would have thought being digital the individual oscillators would be more stable? I I've calibrated the module a few times and updated the firmware. am I missing something? Or perhaps using it for four voice chords is reaching too far outside of what its designed for?
I'm curious about how stable the oscillators are now. I want this module but I can't stand having to retune oscillators and be constantly worrying that my oscillators have gone out of tune before I hit record. That's why I went all digital but there are some digital oscillators with pretty unstable pitches (akemies Castle and mco are terrible). Can anyone comment on this? Was this just a dud?

User avatar
userfriendly
Common Wiggler
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:11 pm
Location: Baltimore

Re: quad operator bank by humble audio

Post by userfriendly » Fri May 14, 2021 3:19 pm

DJ Tap Water wrote:
Fri May 14, 2021 3:12 pm
userfriendly wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:18 pm
I would have thought being digital the individual oscillators would be more stable? I I've calibrated the module a few times and updated the firmware. am I missing something? Or perhaps using it for four voice chords is reaching too far outside of what its designed for?
I'm curious about how stable the oscillators are now. I want this module but I can't stand having to retune oscillators and be constantly worrying that my oscillators have gone out of tune before I hit record. That's why I went all digital but there are some digital oscillators with pretty unstable pitches (akemies Castle and mco are terrible). Can anyone comment on this? Was this just a dud?
I am still emailing with Will directly about this. I never have issues with it when I am using it for normal FM operations beyond what is to be expected. I experience drift when using it in Free mode. Still can't say for sure if I have a dud or is this is an issue with the firmware. That's what Will is working on to find out. I'll let you know when I hear something more. I can say that in his tests he did experience some drift with his modules. Maybe a firmware update will fix it.

Post Reply

Return to “Eurorack Modules”