Today my small discovery was...

[EatPunchBeef]

…that when using FM with Odessa, it’s important to add a few, but only a few partials to the fundamental.

I can tell I’m going to have to learn a lot of subtle nuance to get great results, but so far I feel like I have a bonus synth on top of the additive engine I paid for. Nice.

[Tailwindproductions]

…that any of the waveform outputs on the Minibrute 2 sound amazing fed into the trigger input on SSF UltraKick.
…also that the two lfos and attenuators on the MB2 are also powerful for modulating the UK - which has TONS of CV in and three ! 3 ! outputs:
Audio mono out
Envelope
Duck (inverted envelope w some tweaking)

The UK envelope can be morphed, changing all three output signals simultaneously

[Jee]

I suppose we conduct electricity we don’t generate it so your signal is passed untouched?
I’m no scientist, just guessing…

[pieter]

Can someone explain how the signal flows through the body with minimal distortion? It's kind of amazing.

Your skin is a reasonably good conductor.

[Kattefjaes]

Can someone explain how the signal flows through the body with minimal distortion? It's kind of amazing.

Your skin is a reasonably good conductor.

I read that in the style of Hannibal Lecter.

[pieter]

I ate his skin with some 47pF capacitors and a nice TL074.

[moremagic]

I don't know why it took me so long to getting around to patching this up but my discovery was using an envelope follower with a bass guitar to modulate an lfo, which modulates the CV of vca with the dry signal of the bass guitar. The modulation of the LFO this way is really fun. I'm trying to think if this is possible without something like a guitar. I can share a recording if there's any interest.

i remember patching this up on my moogerfoogers back in the day, when you run the env follower to an audio vco & ring mod the guitar with that oscillator, sounds pure evil! its a great patch at lfo rates too

[soundular]

I don't know why it took me so long to getting around to patching this up but my discovery was using an envelope follower with a bass guitar to modulate an lfo, which modulates the CV of vca with the dry signal of the bass guitar. The modulation of the LFO this way is really fun. I'm trying to think if this is possible without something like a guitar. I can share a recording if there's any interest.

i remember patching this up on my moogerfoogers back in the day, when you run the env follower to an audio vco & ring mod the guitar with that oscillator, sounds pure evil! its a great patch at lfo rates too

Yeah definitely. Makes for some really fun modulation!

[tru7h]

I can patch with my body.

definitely! just a few days ago i patched up a lead sound and wanted to connect something else to the filter cutoff but accidentally touched the cable. the result was filter fm that fit perfectly to the sound, and was very playable as well. simply touch the dummy cable to turn on filter fm.

[Bata]

I can patch with my body.

definitely! just a few days ago i patched up a lead sound and wanted to connect something else to the filter cutoff but accidentally touched the cable. the result was filter fm that fit perfectly to the sound, and was very playable as well. simply touch the dummy cable to turn on filter fm.

I've been doing this recently because it yields some results that are difficult to achieve other ways. It gets more interesting if you are touching multiple outputs together or using a preamp to amplify your body. Here's a couple videos that use this.

[Midiot]

My Erica Pico Envelope Follower has sat in my rack unused, for like 6 months.

Then today, I put a copy of an audio drum loop through it, and fed the E.F. "gate output" to an separate envelope/vca.
So, depending on the drum loop sounds and rhythm , the envelope was triggered, and the VCA opened.
The VCA opened and closed to an ongoing synth/sequencer loop (4 or 8 or 16 notes)...... This means it only played certain notes -- depending on the drum loop.
So every time I changed the drum loop, the notes also changed, automatically.

[EatPunchBeef]

My Erica Pico Envelope Follower has sat in my rack unused, for like 6 months.

Then today, I put a copy of an audio drum loop through it, and fed the E.F. "gate output" to an separate envelope/vca.
So, depending on the drum loop sounds and rhythm , the envelope was triggered, and the VCA opened.
The VCA opened and closed to an ongoing synth/sequencer loop (4 or 8 or 16 notes)...... This means it only played certain notes -- depending on the drum loop.
So every time I changed the drum loop, the notes also changed, automatically.

Haha, I had a very similar experience. The Pico Env Follower was one of the first modules I paid for, and I didn’t even touch it for months. Mainly because I bought it to integrate non-modular gear, and I was focused on playing with new to me eurorack. The first time I tested it out with my ER1, I was giddy as all hell. Made a track I’m very fond of out of that first test.

I may get a midi-CV interface sometime, but right now I’m happier integrating external gear in a way that’s inherently looser and less deliberate.

[noisewreck]

…that when using FM with Odessa, it’s important to add a few, but only a few partials to the fundamental.

I can tell I’m going to have to learn a lot of subtle nuance to get great results, but so far I feel like I have a bonus synth on top of the additive engine I paid for. Nice.

You can, actually use a lot of partials, however then you’ll need to be more judicious with the FM amount. Try setting the FM slider at the highest amount that it sounds reasonable, then patch another attenuator between your FM modulator source and Odessa FM input for more fine control.

Also if you just stick to octaves and fifths, for the relationship between Odessa and modulator, it will help keep thinks musical (this is true for any FM/PM patch).

Try to use sine waves for modulator, although sometimes sawtooth, especially tuned an octave below can be interesting.

Another thing I like to do with Odessa is self-FMing it by patching the fundamental output into the FM input, just make sure the fundamental is set to sine rather than square. Again, a little goes a long way.

[EatPunchBeef]

…that when using FM with Odessa, it’s important to add a few, but only a few partials to the fundamental.

I can tell I’m going to have to learn a lot of subtle nuance to get great results, but so far I feel like I have a bonus synth on top of the additive engine I paid for. Nice.

You can, actually use a lot of partials, however then you’ll need to be more judicious with the FM amount. Try setting the FM slider at the highest amount that it sounds reasonable, then patch another attenuator between your FM modulator source and Odessa FM input for more fine control.

Also if you just stick to octaves and fifths, for the relationship between Odessa and modulator, it will help keep thinks musical (this is true for any FM/PM patch).

Try to use sine waves for modulator, although sometimes sawtooth, especially tuned an octave below can be interesting.

Another thing I like to do with Odessa is self-FMing it by patching the fundamental output into the FM input, just make sure the fundamental is set to sine rather than square. Again, a little goes a long way.

Thanks! I’ll try these tips out.

I’m currently doing a patch where the modulator sine for FM into Odessa isn’t octaves and 5ths, but quantized to a major pentatonic scale. I ended up using so much detune that it’s on the noisy end, but it’s something I want to come back to and extrapolate on.

[noisewreck]

…that when using FM with Odessa, it’s important to add a few, but only a few partials to the fundamental.

I can tell I’m going to have to learn a lot of subtle nuance to get great results, but so far I feel like I have a bonus synth on top of the additive engine I paid for. Nice.

You can, actually use a lot of partials, however then you’ll need to be more judicious with the FM amount. Try setting the FM slider at the highest amount that it sounds reasonable, then patch another attenuator between your FM modulator source and Odessa FM input for more fine control.

Also if you just stick to octaves and fifths, for the relationship between Odessa and modulator, it will help keep thinks musical (this is true for any FM/PM patch).

Try to use sine waves for modulator, although sometimes sawtooth, especially tuned an octave below can be interesting.

Another thing I like to do with Odessa is self-FMing it by patching the fundamental output into the FM input, just make sure the fundamental is set to sine rather than square. Again, a little goes a long way.

Thanks! I’ll try these tips out.

I’m currently doing a patch where the modulator sine for FM into Odessa isn’t octaves and 5ths, but quantized to a major pentatonic scale. I ended up using so much detune that it’s on the noisy end, but it’s something I want to come back to and extrapolate on.

As long as the tuning relationship between the two oscillators is 5ths or octaves, things will stay (mostly) musical, so try feeding the same 1v/oct CV to both oscillators from your quantizer, just tune the oscillators themselves apart.

[starthief]

…that when using FM with Odessa, it’s important to add a few, but only a few partials to the fundamental.

You can, actually use a lot of partials, however then you’ll need to be more judicious with the FM amount. Try setting the FM slider at the highest amount that it sounds reasonable, then patch another attenuator between your FM modulator source and Odessa FM input for more fine control.

Also if you just stick to octaves and fifths, for the relationship between Odessa and modulator, it will help keep thinks musical (this is true for any FM/PM patch).

Try to use sine waves for modulator, although sometimes sawtooth, especially tuned an octave below can be interesting.

The potential FM depth on Odessa is really extreme, so it's good to keep it under control anyway!

In addition to just using a few partials or keeping Tilt relatively low, you can also sometimes use the comb filtering to tame higher partials a bit.

Not just with Odessa, but in addition to using "clean" integer frequency ratios, you can use a modulator signal much higher in frequency than the carrier frequency and it just sort of adds "fizz" without being too clangy.


Also where it comes to self-patching Odessa's Fundamental, Tension, Warp, Density and Spread can all be fun places to add motion without it going too crazy. Also I've had some nice success at times ringmodding any two of Odessa's outputs against each other, or running them into FM Aid

[EatPunchBeef]

[grunk]

Stacking cables don't bridge ground, wtf?

[pieter]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that many, many cables don't bridge ground...

[beatcleaver]

TIL that the fill inputs on MI Grids are voltage sensitive - more volts, more beats in the fill. I had expected them to take a trigger or gate. I just got the module yesterday (yeah I'm late to the party) - got a DIY clone for €70

Great module, it takes modulation really well.

[xcc]

TIL that the fill inputs on MI Grids are voltage sensitive - more volts, more beats in the fill. I had expected them to take a trigger or gate. I just got the module yesterday (yeah I'm late to the party) - got a DIY clone for €70

Great module, it takes modulation really well.

Absolutely! I love taking a joystick to the Chaos and Fill inputs. Many funs.